Curse

victimiser · Feb 23, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

referring to the monk story and well any other scamming senario i believe that people who betray over pixels are sad sad people and therefor have already been punished so you should just laugh at them and wonder how they gonna get through life in that way of thinking
=P

Dandy Warhol · Feb 23, 2006, 03:28 AM // 03:28

Having played as pretty much every profession (excluding Necro), I can understand the dynamics of what goes on in a mission at least pretty well. Not that I sympathize with the scammers monks the OP was talking about, but I can understand why monks can be rude and why more aggressive classes can be rude.

Take the other day. I'm playing Aurora Glades with this monk build I've set up. We even have another monk on the mish with us.

So things are going along just fine. I have screens I took showing this warrior telling us we were the best monks he'd ever seen. Now, that wasn't true. At least in my case, I could definitely use some work. But things are really going swimmingly.

So we're about half way through and the party somehow ends up going three different directions, right? One warrior and one ranger ran ahead and were attacking things and this left me in the middle of all of these groups aggroing left and right. I couldn't even see some of the party members they were so far off the mini-map in opposite directions. So I'm having to make a snap decision of which group I follow (since both groups are taking damage and I have no idea where the other monk is). So I follow the group where I know he's *not*. But I'm too late to save the ranger.

And so the ranger dies. As I'm ressing him, he's like, "omg 2 monks n i couldnt even be kept alive. suckks."

This was entirely not my fault or the other monks fault. And no one disagreed with me when I said that the ranger was not speaking honestly.

So on the one hand, there you have monks just building pressure by being abused by foolish aggro-players. And then on the other hand, you have instances where the monk is just being a twit, as exemplified in this topic.

Poor trust is built up because of this between the classes and... viola! Stereotypes about the different classes form.

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Everyone should just be nice to eachother. ;_; It'd save so much trouble.
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And yeah, I'm a newbie to the boards, so completely disregard this, 'cause it's probably uninformed and repetitive.

Anarchy! · Feb 23, 2006, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Monking is a bitch. Very Stressfull, People whine alot when they die. And call you noob etc...

koneko · Feb 23, 2006, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Anarchy!

Monking is a bitch. Very Stressfull, People whine alot when they die. And call you noob etc...

I got a blind invite in Hell's Precipice while I was refining a new boon/prot build on my monk. Five W/Mos, one W/Me, one N/Mo (minions). Of course, we didn't make it very far since a) the necro was spewing obscenities/being very rude and b) whammos didn't understand to kill the bloody imps that spike with Mind Burn first.

"n00b monk, heal!!11one rez rez rez rez rez n00b omg u suk"

I don't play on my monk that often anymore.

But yes, the morons in GW that pull stunts like in the OP's story aren't limited to just one profession...

Dandy Warhol · Feb 23, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by koneko

the necro was spewing obscenities/being very rude

Wow... People like that suck.

After having a guy telling the team to kill ourselves (and, in quotes, "seriously") after we lost Thirsty River tonight, I'm wondering how many people play this game under some form of intoxication.

It's a freakin' game and I've seen way too many people who act like it's a life and death battle. :|

We lost because the warrior pulled all of the forgotten into us and he's like, "you guys are so stupid. noobs. go kill yourselves. seriously." as we're standing around in the Thirsty River lobby. Bleh.

Shyft the Pyro · Feb 23, 2006, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by koneko

I got a blind invite in Hell's Precipice...

And that's where things went wrong. If the party can't take the time to PM the monk when the monk isn't responding to "Need monk" requests, the party won't be waiting for the monk to recover his energy or catch up with the aggro. Just Say No to blind invites

koneko · Feb 23, 2006, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

And that's where things went wrong.

Well, I was bored and felt like trying out the build. Worst-case scenario thing with energy management. I normally don't do blind invites anyway :|

My point still stands on the "n00b monk" thing. But I digress. :|

Lady Lozza · Feb 23, 2006, 06:38 AM // 06:38

Vermilion, the premise of this thread was that all monks (primary profession) are jerks.

If we take this to be true (which it is not) then the solution is simple. Don't take a monk primary. Take a whole group of part monks. Spam heal party, heal area, whatever. My point is that monks (as a primary profession) are not necessary.

jciardha, true technically most professions are NOT needed. My wording was perhaps a little poor in this case. If you go with a trapper team to UW then you do NEED trappers. Certain maps are easy played in certain ways, and not so easy played in others. If you are using a certain team build on a certain map then there are certain professions that are VERY difficult to replace with another.

8 x E/Mo @ THK FTW - it was the most fun I've ever had

Yolanda Kai · Feb 23, 2006, 06:49 AM // 06:49

I don't think I've ever seen such a high turnover on monks as in Riverside Province. We were a mission only group and these brilliant wannabe tankers were charging towers left right and center. I guess it's just not that fun healing morons who go out of their way to get the group massacred halfway through a mission. Every time the party died the monk was the first to go.

I'm just about ready to get down to business on my first Monk primary character and dreading some of the situations where I'm gonna be expected to pull something out of my ass and save the group. Some of the best and worst people I've met online have been through Guild Wars, including my Counterstrike days

Monks seem to be really hit or miss. They're amazing and super patient or at a critical point in a mission they demand cash or they walk. Not many in the middle that I come across. You get the odd character more concerned with spamming Necro skills than healing anyone, but thankfully haven't run into one of those in a couple days.

Falcon213 · Feb 23, 2006, 06:54 AM // 06:54

Strange.. monk was my first PvE char that I made at release.. and back then no one ever yelled at me if they died or anything like that. Even since then playing other characters I don't hear much monk bashing, and if someone does then it's always a dumbass who got himself killed. Now I only play monk in guild pvp/gvg, so I don't have to worry about lamers complaining. I can still sympathize with the monks who get harassed though because I know how stressful monking can be once you pass up the Southern Shiverpeaks.

I still get mad at monks sometimes.. there are some dumb monks who don't know what the hell they're doing, but I keep it to myself.

Yolanda Kai · Feb 23, 2006, 07:21 AM // 07:21

Well in the very beginning everybody was a "nub" or whatever you want to call em

Anyway the only character I run in missions that's totally reliant on Monk support is my Echo Nuker. Aura of Restoration only goes so far. The rest of the time I've always gone "safety first" in missions and taken enough defensive skills to stay alive if something goes bad.

It's crazy how often you play something like THK and there's 2-3 Warriors getting knocked down and kicked around by Giants because they decided to take another sword skill instead of Dolyak Signet. Taking 40% less damage and staying on your feet was a good thing last I checked

Anyway I'm quite certain people could wean (very sorry for the shot in the dark spelling) themselves off of Monks if they were prepared to take a few extra minutes to get the job done.

Falcon213 · Feb 23, 2006, 07:38 AM // 07:38

I know what you mean.. as a Warrior I always had to bring IWAY along in case my entire team decided to die.. can't tell you how many times that plus Endure Pain saved me from losing a mission. Of course then I would res a monk who brought Restore Life instead of Rebirth, and it's over anyway.

Lady Lozza · Feb 23, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42

LOL Falcon, you should check to make sure that prot monks have rebirth on them before entering the mission. Most do, but you should check anyway to avoid hassles

coolsti · Feb 23, 2006, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Not all monks are bad! Of course we know this, but it was again proven to me last night. We were a group of 7 friends (2W, 2E, 1R, 1Me, 1Mo) and wanted to do a trip to FOW, but we needed that last monk to complete the party. None of us had any monk friends online. And I very much disliked the idea of taking an unknown monk into the party because you just don't know what you will wind up with.

Our party, by the way, included some friends who have never been to FOW before, so although we play well as a group, it could be expected that mistakes will happen this trip.

Well, despite there being very few monks around (as usual) we did find one that was interested in joining our group (we advertised as being a friendly friends group in need of one more monk). And he was actually great! Good monk, fun to be with, and he obviously enjoyed being with our party. This is despite the fact that the people who were new to FOW made some aggro mistakes and seemed often a bit confused. Because of this, our new monk tried to be the group's teacher and leader, but not in any manner that was overly dominating or insulting to any of us.

So, wow, yes, you can find good monks out there!

Minus Sign · Feb 23, 2006, 08:50 AM // 08:50

To the original poster:

Good for it! I hope you had a chat text display too showing people asking to be rezzed, lying dead on the ground while that cheap scam guild stood around waiting for the timer to run out. If you don’t I’m still certain that Anet will drop a serious hammer on those players’ toes. While it’s their policy to never reveal the action they took against offenders, I have no doubt that they DO take action. Been playing PvP for a little while now and I ALWAYS take screenshots of AFK players and send them to Anet. Before I started doing this, I would see the same AFKer in RA 2-3 times a day (newb PvPer so that’s where I practice). Once I started to report them, I don’t see them anymore.

As for this being a “monk scam” I have to draw a line though. Even if the necro guildie didn’t have rez, it’s the fault of this guild that they have 3 very poor spirited players in their midst. I hope you wrote down their names and the abbreviation of their guild. If you ever see another member, inform them that those 3 players scammed/exploited the game and your team in new UW and that you have proof via screenshots that you would LOVE to email to their guild leader. With Factions coming up, guild alliances are going to be big business, and guilds with sullied reputations—not just their members--will be left out of the loop and the loot.

This isn’t the first I’ve heard or seen of things like this. Playing as the prot monk in low looting SF, our Wa/Mo dropped the gear after a gold armor dropped for one of our necros. This caused agro to shift to everyone else and the team died. We ressed and he kicked up sprint, outrunning the group back to the original fight were the item timer had counted out and proceeded to pick up the goodie for himself. There are many people—no matter what their profession—who are greedy selfish jerks and need to find a new place to vent their anti-social behavior. Its not limited to just monks.

But this thread is.

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You don't need to hire monks to play. You don't need cc. But act like a jerk to a monk and I guarantee you they will quit, no one wants to, nor has to, put up the type of stuff that I've had to put up with while monking. If you don't want your monks to quit, be nice to them, it really isn't that hard.

Quoted for Truth

While flaming others isn't just reserved for monks (Stupid Warrior; cowradly Ranger), we do get the bulk of it.

People take the monk profession for many reasons: they want to farm 55hp, they think monks are cute, the think monks are easier because you don’t have to worry about monsters, just players. Or…

BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HELP THE GROUP! The same reason you see many monks charging for service is the same reason why when you enter Augery the place is swarming with monks in rune armor; farming:

Abuse against players will not always get them to delete a character they love. It will, however, get them to stop playing with you. Many main character monks turn to soloing or guild only play—not because they don’t like the game or helping people through missions—because they don’t like how PUGs treat them.

I can’t wait for the Ritualist to come out so some of that focus will finally shift to another class.

torkerphish · Feb 23, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

Typical thing happened this evening... I usually play a healer, but have been attempting the bond thing as of late. 8 person Forge attempt, we were almost done with the first part (no thanks to the tank, who, I can only assume came straight from ORO or FA runs, as his primary attack mode was run in, agroo 2 or 3 mobs and then stand there), when the tank did his thing and agrood everything that was left past the Rasts Gate. The two healer monks who were with me took a croak, and then everything started beating on Rast. There were like 3 of us left after all was said done, backpeddling to try to stay alive as 2 mobs of agrood stuff was coming at us. I had already rebonded myself and the 2 living players at this point and was at about mid NRG, when the other 2 monks started yelling 'Bond Rast'. I proceeded to bond Rast with Barrier and Life (25 NRG total) and they are then yelling 'GET ME UP, GET ME UP'.

No way I could do it, why? Yes, I brought restore life, when I said so, the comment from the 1 of the 2 healer monks was, you didnt have any bonds up? Well....I had barrier and bonds on 3 people (2 surviving members and rast) as well as one bond on myself as I was backpeddling, seeing as the last bonds I cast were on Rast.....If I had used rebirth...guess who would have been at the mercy of the agroo mobs even quicker, and with skills disabled for 4 or 5 seconds.......? Would the outcome have been any different? I think not, nonetheless, everyone left in a huff, having not said a word to the ORO tank. Kinda pissed me off....

DABhand · Feb 23, 2006, 11:03 AM // 11:03

I think they should change the current system of drops, if someone is still on the map dont let the item/s change to anyones game, it is poor to see this happening.

Only time it should be changing to anyones hands is when someone leaves the map. But even then if a bullwark drops I could see the ultimate stalemate, the people alive waits until the other one logs off or leaves?

Or perhaps add in a 5min little res on a team mate while others are still there.

I highly doubt this will happen, but its annoying when things like this do happen.

BlackRecluse · Feb 23, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

this may be a little off topic, but its still about monks. 55-smiting monks to be specific. 55-monks that run past the group of aatxes just before the smites and leave you there. monks that dont have SB, and bring SoJ. im so sick and tired of the vast majority of 55-monks that just have to have that extra 5k. not to mention 90% of them are terrible.

EDIT: also most of the monks that leave me to smite alone, ive found, are korean..

sun is in us · Feb 23, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Hopefully Rt will start diffusing the Rule of the Monks a bit.....and o' course extremely situational but this will at least screw a few of the scamming monks perhaps someday....

Lively Was Naomei - 15 en 6 cast 20 recharge
Spell. Hold Naomei's ashes for up to 60 seconds. When you drop her ashes, all party members in the area are resurrected with 15% Health and zero Energy.

Just be holding it when you die and perhaps you have a 2nd chance....

Ley · Feb 23, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

LOL, I have to say that I am a monk and that I do sell CC at 1 plat. why? easy. you should NEVER.. EVER! go to a high lvl mobs area without being properly equipped (which really means have a few CC with you just in case).

Ppl who dont play smart pay more or stay dead.

now your choice, spend 1 k and have 0 dp or be dead most of the game dead and with 60% dp.

although those monks which leave ppl dead just to gain benefit I find it to be abusing and something which should not happen.